Give me that OLD TIME Religion... 1 Peter 3

Give me that OLD TIME Religion... 1 Peter 3 ~  or  ~
What Has Happened to the IMMUTABILITY of God and His Word?

Is the controversy over women as teachers and Pastors not a matter of the misogyny and misandry so long on the earth? How does God's Plan address matters of sin, confusion and disorder between the sexes among His own?

I remember an anecdote about a child's first visit to the dentist. The dentist had a word with mom when they arrived. He told her to bring the child into the treatment room, and when he told her to sit down, she was to sit down immediately without objection in a chair provided her. THEN he would tell the child to sit down in the BIG chair! As the example of obedience was set by mom, so the child would understand who had authority, yes, even more authority than mom. I suspect the result would have been the same if it had been dad instead of mom! That is how that dentist overcame the difficulties of having a child sit down.

How do we inspire others to obey? By being obedient.

I got to thinking after reading a glowing foreword written by Jack Hayford for a book. So I sent him my two cents worth. I got a reply from his office with a link to this article:
http://www.jackhayford.org/teaching/articles/a-womans-place-in-christ/

The following is the body of my response.

"If you look at verse 12 of 1 Timothy in the context of the whole Bible, you will see that Paul couldn't be prohibiting women from teaching, or even from teaching men. If he were, why would he, in another epistle, give rules for women to follow when they are prophesying? In 1 Corinthians 11:5, he is referring to prophetic utterances given in the midst of an entire congregation-one that includes men. And we know that prophecy can come by itself, or it can accompany either preaching or teaching. Therefore, Paul allows for the possibility of women speaking in church in the capacity of teacher." from A Woman's Place in Christ by Jack Hayford

My response:

God’s commands are not grievous, yet how we disagree and chafe, not yet fully trusting what a blessing obedience will bring! 

1) Prophecy is inspired utterance, the speaking forth of the Lord's exact words. A woman who is a prophet ought not be forbidden that, yet the words she speaks are subject to the judgment of the prophets.

2) Teaching is a different matter, and teachers are held to God's judgment. They speak in the vernacular and they are not speaking saying "Thus saith the Lord." Teachers are instructors, they do not only spew facts, they give facts and words and questions with the purpose of instructing others, teaching them not just information, but how to "use" the information, how to live. People learn how to behave.  A teacher is more responsible for the effect of his words that a prophet, for by the prophet the Lord Himself is responsible. (James 3) Because of this, and in view of Eve being deceived, and Adam being accountable for willful disobedience, and in light of the special assignment for the husband to rule, the pastors and teachers are to be men charged with leading the homes and churches. That is why women are to learn from their husbands, it puts the responsibility on the husband to lead the home and teach his wife. When we turn the women loose to rule and teach in the church, even when they are more advance in the Spiritual life than their husbands, the result seems invariable that men turn all their charge to lead into the wife's hands. Men become spiritual couch potatoes. I regret to say it but it leads to women barking from lecterns and pulpits like Drill Instructors. 

3) If prophecy and teaching come in the same meeting, they need to be distinct as such. And because they come in the same meeting does not change that which is the commandment of the Lord. 

I think this may be reinforced in the following verses: 

Ephesians 5:25-27

American Standard Version (ASV)

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself up for it;

26 that he might sanctify it, having cleansed it by the washing of water with the word,

27 that he might present the church to himself a glorious church, not having spot 

or wrinkle or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. 

John 17
Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
17 Set them apart for holiness by means of the truth — your word is truth. 

This is not cleansing by the blood, but by the water of the word. I have not heard it taught but I see this as sanctification by the spoken word, and here a part of the charge given the husband for his wife as Christ carries it out for His Bride the church. Men are in general lazier beasts than women, and often "rule" by coercions than lead from their obedience to the Lord. In my view God has provided for men to be sanctified and perfected  through these role assignments of leaders and teachers commanded for them! Women are in general characterized more by other sins. Submission to their husbands and leaders, and submission of the husbands to leaders is the context of our sanctification. 

1 Corinthians 14

33 for God is not a God of confusion, but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints,

34 let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law.

35 And if they would learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home: for it is shameful for a woman to speak in the church.

36 What? was it from you that the word of God went forth? or came it unto you alone?

37 If any man thinketh himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him take knowledge of the things which I write unto you, that they are the commandment of the Lord.

38 But if any man is ignorant, let him be ignorant.

39 Wherefore, my brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

40 But let all things be done decently and in order.

A man can both prophecy and teach to the congregation. A woman may prophesy, or pray, and certainly sing. But how clear is it:

"let him take knowledge of the things which I write unto you, that they are the commandment of the Lord."

Paul does not forbid a woman from speaking or even teaching at home, but would not teaching a husband be unseemly? Should not a woman pray instead that her husband be taught in a way by other men that equips him to teach her? I heard a marvelous story where a spiritual woman was advised: Bring your questions to your husband and ask him what they mean. As I recall it wound up being the thing that saved him! Was that what Paul had in mind?  "if they would learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home."  These are the commandments of the Lord. I have been in more than a few places where the women are in the meetings and the husbands at home, I think because they don't want to go to meeting and hear their wive speak while they have nothing to share. Put the men and women in meeting under this rule and let them speak without fear of being outshined or corrected by their wives publically.

How else are we to fathom: "for it is shameful for a woman to speak in the church." and "with shamefacedness KJV (shamefastness ASV) and sobriety;"

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G149&t=KJV

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G127&t=KJV

Dare it be suggested that Adam was shamed by Eve's disobedience? He was by his own surely, and Eve by her own surely. Angels can't learn obedience. Jesus learned by the things He suffered. Is it to much to be asked or commanded to suffer what does go against the flesh, that women be silent and that we men learn to lead?

4) Paul did give rules to women in another epistle for when they speak prophetically:

1 Corinthians 11

5 But every woman praying or prophesying with her head unveiled dishonoreth her head; for it is one and the same thing as if she were shaven.

6 For if a woman is not veiled, let her also be shorn: but if it is a shame to a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be veiled.

This passage does not change the rules forbidding women to teach, not at all! Nor does the prohibition of women teachers change the rule of this passage!

First, let's see what the different verses in this passage do not mean.
That the women adorn themselves in modest apparel (v. 9). "All women should dress as crummy as possible to verify their holiness." from A Woman's Place in Christ by Jack Hayford

This was the first of seven verses from 1 Timothy 2:8-15 listed in order to see what they do not mean. With all due respect: Can we know what the scriptures do not mean if we do not know what they do mean???

1 Peter 3

American Standard Version (ASV)

3  In like manner, ye wives, be in subjection to your won husbands; that, even if any obey not the word, they may without the word be gained by the behavior of their wives;

2 beholding your chaste behavior coupled with fear.

3 Whose adorning let it not be the outward adorning of braiding the hair, and of wearing jewels of gold, or of putting on apparel;

4 but let it be the hidden man of the heart, in the incorruptible apparel of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

5 For after this manner aforetime the holy women also, who hoped in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection to their own husbands:

6 as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose children ye now are, if ye do well, and are not put in fear by any terror.

7 Ye husbands, in like manner, dwell with your wives according to knowledge, giving honor unto the woman, as unto the weaker vessel, as being also joint-heirs of the grace of life; to the end that your prayers be not hindered.

8 Finally, be ye all likeminded, compassionate, loving as brethren, tenderhearted, humbleminded:

• Women who adorn themselves with "outward adorning of braiding the hair, and of wearing jewels of gold, or of putting on apparel." may do it out of pride or insecurity. Whatever their reasons we are generally able to identify when something is amiss in their motives. 
• Women who adorn themselves with "the hidden man of the heart, in the incorruptible apparel of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price." Again we can identify those whose motives are pure. 

For after this manner aforetime the holy women also, who hoped in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection to their own husbands: as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose children ye now are, if ye do well, and are not put in fear by any terror. (1 Peter 3:5,6)

I agree that women need not dress all the way down to abjectness. But in many cases church will seem unapproachable after a certain measure of style is applied by women AND men. I think we should dress in a way so that those living in the one mile radius of our sanctuaries would be comfortable among us. It is all about revealing God's glory, and whatever distracts from that will hinder the witness, the evidence that God is with us, and we with Him in Spirit and Truth.

PS:

from my first email with edits:

The gospel does mean that the arrangement of Gen. 3 is to be lived out under the greater revelation of God's Word, Plan and Love seen in the New Covenant scriptures / teaching. The husband is now charged with great benevolence toward his wife, and great sacrifice. Yet I can see nothing that allows women to hold offices which the Lord commands she not hold. The willing and joyful acceptance of these commands is a hallmark of the peculiarity of believers set over against the world. How peculiar! A trusting obedience of both husband and wife in their DISTINCTIVE roles demonstrates the relationship of the Lord ruling over the church. The husband’s sacrificial service, even teaching and when need be correcting his bride, and the brides joyful reverence for her husband by obeying him, each as a witness to the world that: The Lord is loved and that His Word is reverenced above the word that deceived Eve and to which Adam submitted.

The Messiah is the groom to us; bridegrooms are to groom their brides in the betrothal, yes? no? But no one thinks like this anymore do they? Men and Husbands need the Lord's grooming as they are part of the Messiah's Bride. Women play a role in this, but not a teaching role. 

Not for my lengthy views and words but for the simply and literal meaning of the Scriptures: "...let him take knowledge of the things which I write unto you, that they are the commandment of the Lord."

The wife: as unto the Lord. 



22 Wives, be in subjection unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

The husband: as the Messiah

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself up for it;

Women are made in God's image. But they are different than men, and called to different ministries by God. I don't have a problem with women being successful, accomplished and enriched. But Paul forbids them teaching and wrestling authority from men. WHY? Because Eve was deceived. Yes? No? 

The ONLY place that TEACHING AND RULING is forbidden by Paul is in the church assemblies, and that is PRECISELY where so many women are being elevated to teaching and ruling!!! 
That men permit this does not seem to me what the Lord was commanding...

Submitted publically, in fear and trembling, for:

36 What? was it from you that the word of God went forth? or came it unto you alone?

37 If any man thinketh himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him take knowledge of the things which I write unto you, that they are the commandment of the Lord.

38 But if any man is ignorant, let him be ignorant. 1 Corinthians 14

Doctrines and Demons

I will never forget the picture of an African Pastor who graced the cover of an OLD issue of the Voice of the Martyrs magazine. He was standing in the open air, not a house, road...   nothing, only he and some shrubs and grass. He was smiling the most glorious smile I had ever seen in my life. He was wearing burlap. Humble enough yes? But this burlap was so full of holes that half his frame from his knees to his neck was exposed, and had the wind shifted we should have closed our eyes. It was astonishing. He knew God! He had joy extreme in extreme poverty. Looking back, I'm almost certain he had never seen a text on Calvin, Arminius, on dispensations, or a Covenant of Works, or the Nicene creed, or any catechism. He probably shared one or two Bibles with his congregation. Perhaps they only had a New Testament or even only pages from one. I could be wrong. But I am sure he KNEW GOD!

HOW IRRELEVANT and unnecessary our preoccupations would have been in his life and the life of his congregants. And I'm seeing how it must be so for me. God did not save us to nitpick each other ad infinitum over doctrine. Have we let heretics and anti-christs and the devil chase us around to a misunderstanding of the word, the verbo (a spanish word)? And do we now as a result rely more on scholarship than on the Holy Spirit?

Juan 1
Reina-Valera 1960 (RVR1960)

1 En el principio era el Verbo, y el Verbo era con Dios, y el Verbo era Dios.

2 Este era en el principio con Dios.

Back to God and the Bible and away with powerless seminary educations. IMHO most people in heaven will never have discovered the difference between Covenantal Theology and dispensationalism. Nor will they have learned Greek or Hebrew. Now what may well be worthy of attack is replacement theology, which is an heresy arising out of the minds of Jew haters, surprisingly a doctrine of the "early church." Even that error can be simply exposed by the scripture without much doctrinaire commentary. It is such a demonic doctrine that I believe those who ascribe to it are afflicted and easily bound by devilish spirits; they are kept in a state of resistance to the truth: that saved Jews have a future a bit different gentiles in the Messianic Kingdom, and that Jews will be saved out of the great tribulation as a people after 2/3rds of them are killed.

Demons are doctrinaire! They bring false doctrines in through the minds of the untaught.

What Are the Doctrines of Demons? 

Now banishing demons requires an altogether different approach than scholarship, they require faith and the exercise of authority and in some cases prayer and fasting. 

Can we see our great need of the Lord, even we who are so certain of  "our" salvation and "our" doctrine? 


Salvation belongs to the Lord; Your blessing be upon Your people!
Psalm 3:8

'After these things I heard something
like a loud voice 
of a great multitude in heaven, saying,

“Hallelujah! 
Salvation and glory and power
belong to our God!"'
Revelation 19:1

Expelled: No Intelligemce Allowed

Who is running the gauntlet with Ben Stein today? This video has been around for some few years. I'm a person of very modest means to publish his work and further the tearing down of this wall. I will post the link to this page on fb and twitter and in my blog "leaving politics" and I will tell my friends of it. 

Find it also at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqNPlwLwIP8

Amillennialism fails the test, Supersessionism also.

Reject me, crucify me, thrust me out, but let it ring in your ears that God is immutable and His word.

A school teacher can have 10,000 students, and yet have taught them all error. How sad also for the ones the students will teach.

Romans 9  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%209&version=ASV

Romans 10  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%2010&version=ASV

Romans 11   http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%2011&version=ASV

Psalm 119:89

For ever, O Jehovah, Thy word is settled in heaven.

Isaiah 40:8

The grass withereth, the flower fadeth; but the word of our God shall stand forever.

Proverbs 30:5

Every word of God is tried: He is a shield unto them that take refuge in him.

Please don't take refuge in Calvin and Augustine or Luther. They are not shields. I am no shield. Faith is a shield, "Have faith in God." The sword is a defensive weapon too, perhaps I defend against the errors of the "early church fathers” and the error of all who are following them. But it is not the gospel that needs defending, it is our hearts.

Proverbs 4:23

American Standard Version (ASV)

23 Keep thy heart with all diligence; For out of it are the issues of life.

Are not the Holy Scriptures the gold, silver, and costly stones? How can we afford to build with such precious materials? Blessedly we can buy them all for a dollar! (NASB or NKJV or KJV Paperback) They are free on line! But it is their true and singular message which will cost us time and prayer mixed with faith to be able to build with them. It has been my experience that after close and prolonged examination of "the materials" I find it is God who writes them on my heart in memory and begins to associated them according to their meaning and "use." And though I read other men's writings, I trust that God will help, even cause me to "prove all things and hold fast to that which is good." TY Lord God for that!

John 7:16-18 (a verse to meditate on!)

American Standard Version (ASV)

16 Jesus therefore answered them and said, My teaching is not mine, but his that sent me.

17 If any man willeth to do his will, he shall know of the teaching, whether it is of God, or whether I speak from myself.

18 He that speaketh from himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh the glory of him that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

How humble Jesus was, the seven eros giants were under His Feet!

• Jesus didn't get all liquored up to feel good, nor did He seek the words of men to sooth His feelings. 
• He didn't get all gussied up to look good, or do miracles as a show off.
• He didn't preach and teach His own doctrine to be right. 
• He didn't have to strive to stay in control, He was led of the Spirit and obedient to His Father. 
• He didn't have an agenda except to do His Abba's agenda/will. 
• He didn't take an advantage but laid His life down in obedience to His father. 
• And He didn't try to remain undisturbed, He was often "mobbed," yet when Abba called Him into solitude He obeyed Him.

Matthew 23 

37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, that killeth the prophets, and stoneth them that are sent unto her! how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Luke 19

37 And as he was now drawing nigh, even at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works which they had seen;

38 saying, Blessed is the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest.

39 And some of the Pharisees from the multitude said unto him, Teacher, rebuke thy disciples.

40 And he answered and said, I tell you that, if these shall hold their peace, the stones will cry out.

41 And when he drew nigh, he saw the city and wept over it,

42 saying, If thou hadst known in this day, even thou, the things which belong unto peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.

43 For the days shall come upon thee, when thine enemies shall cast up a bank about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,

44 and shall dash thee to the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

I am turning my anger at the devil who has deceived so many and still deceives many. My confidence is in God who loves me and has everlasting wrath stored up for satan, his angelic following and the unbelieving world.

Who wants to believe verse 6 of Zechariah 12? Israel again conquering the nations around her? Israel in ascendancy over the unbelieving gentiles who persecute her (see verse 9)(even TODAY)? Ah, but who longs for the redemptive sorrow and repentance of verse 10?

Zechariah 12

American Standard Version (ASV)

1 The burden of the word of Jehovah concerning Israel. Thus saith Jehovah, who stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him:

2 behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of reeling unto all the peoples round about, and upon Judah also shall it be in the siege against Jerusalem.

3 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all the peoples; all that burden themselves with it shall be sore wounded; and all the nations of the earth shall be gathered together against it.

4 In that day, saith Jehovah, I will smite every horse with terror, and his rider with madness; and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the peoples with blindness.

5 And the chieftains of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem are my strength in Jehovah of hosts their God.

6 In that day will I make the chieftains of Judah like a pan of fire among wood, and like a flaming torch among sheaves; and they shall devour all the peoples round about, on the right hand and on the left; and they of Jerusalem shall yet again dwell in their own place, even in Jerusalem.

7 Jehovah also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem be not magnified above Judah.

8 In that day shall Jehovah defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem: and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of Jehovah before them.

9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplication; and they shall look unto me whom they have pierced; and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his first-born.

11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.

12 And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;

13 the family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of the Shimeites apart, and their wives apart;

14 all the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.

Matthew 23:39

For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Can we think that Jesus who came to seek and to save the Lost SHEEP of the House of Israel was referring to gentiles in verse 40 below? I think not, He was speaking to Jews about His own kin, also Jews, and likely to those who would be hungry, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, because of the deprivations they would suffer for their faith in Him. I don't see that Jesus intention is to forget the gentiles here, but the Gospel IS for the Jew first and He came first unto His own. That the first (Jews) shall be last also (all Israel shall be saved) shows how close to the end of the church age we are.

Matthew 25 

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it unto one of these my brethren, even these least, ye did it unto me.31 But when the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit on the throne of his glory:

Jesus had the gentiles covered:

John 10

14 I am the good shepherd; and I know mine own, and mine own know me,

15 even as the Father knoweth me, and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice: and they shall become one flock, one shepherd.

It IS frightening to think that some may not be hearing Jesus voice, but the voices of Calvin, Luther, Augustine and Origen and others. You never met any of those men. Or that you are simply listening to these voices of the past in preference to the Scriptures which are inspired by Him who has the power of an endless life. For Him and for all I trust is of God, I STILL URGE YOU to pray that God the Holy Spirit teach you His word, not mine, not Calvins or ANY other mere man's. If you are not willing to ask Jesus for the truth, leaving it to Him to teach it by God the Holy Spirit, you can have no spiritual judgment at all! And if by asking and trusting Jesus and the Holy Spirit, they do not completely demolish the doctrines of supersessionism and amillennialism... I will simply continue with the Scriptures, the gospel of Jesus, his church, its rapture, the great tribulation, the salvation of all Israel, the return of the Lord and the Messianic Kingdom.

Apply all the 5 "solas" to the 6th sola. The 6th is the scripture. Apply in (1)faith for the (2)grace of the (3)Messiah and the (4) Holy Spirit for the (5) Glory of God the father that They teach you the Holy Scriptures. No man can do that as they can. As I have need of correction for my temper and for other matters, admit at least that God can correct any errors and heal any disease. Yet we do have to be willing to be corrected. So can you say Lord Jesus IF our doctrine is erroneous. please show us plainly. We want to please you, we want to know You and hear only Your voice that we may receive Your doctrine always.

Matthew 25 

32 and before him shall be gathered all the nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats;

33 and he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 for I was hungry, and ye gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink; I was a stranger, and ye took me in;

36 naked, and ye clothed me; I was sick, and ye visited me; I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee hungry, and fed thee? or athirst, and gave thee drink?

38 And when saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 And when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it unto one of these my brethren, even these least, ye did it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 for I was hungry, and ye did not give me to eat; I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink;

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in; naked, and ye clothed me not; sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer, saying, Lord, when saw we thee hungry, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not unto one of these least, ye did it not unto me.

46 And these shall go away into eternal punishment: but the righteous into eternal life.

Anti-Semitism or WHAT??? Part 2

September 15, 2013 at 8:04am

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As a result of PART 1 >>>--->  Part 2 !

Some of my friends have been rightly concerned over Messianic Jewish practices. There is error in the Messianic community. I attended a Messianic Bible Camp this summer and was relieved that they understood the grace of God and "faith plus nothing" which the church enjoys today. There was strong caution regarding Messianic believers and congregations that are "preaching law but practicing grace." And it was noted that not a few gentiles are attaching themselves to the "Torah keepers" and the Jewish "roots" movement, also the Holy name movement.

It need to be said and taught and thank God it that the Law of Moses was entirely put aside as obsolete by Jesus through His blood via the cross. The basis for forgiveness of sin is no more the blood of animals. If you break one of the ten commandments today it is by the grace of God and the blood of Jesus and with your faith and your faithful confession of that sin that you are forgiven and cleansed of all unrighteousness! 

[ ... if you ask me the only way to keep the law is to stop sinning! ; ) ]

If there is error in Messianic congregations don't rejoice, there is a lot of "strange fire" in the gentile churches too. A VERY GREAT LOT. It is very sad that for over 1500 years the gentile churches have been influenced and very often dominated by anti-semites. Jesus IS a Jew in His humanity and can we say He is not a Jewish God-man today? He came incarnate to the family and nation God raised up through Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The enmity He tore down on the cross was the law of ordinances which barred the gentile unless he convert by the law. Though the barrier was removed and gentiles were grafted in by grace through faith alone, hatred did persist, and anti Christs arrived from without and arose from withinn the One New Man church. Pagan Rome and Greece  as I see it eventually wore the church down and then co opted the church by declaring christianity the religion of the empire. So we had the beginnings of the Roman heresy through Origen who formulated the allegorical replacement of Israel. That idea declared falsely that God was done with the Jews as a people as a family and that the church was given to gentiles. That idea has been the cause of more error and cruel sin against Jews, against true believers and even against muslims that can be known. An all the while complicating the matter was the Jewish unbelieving world which passionately opposed Jewish faith in the Messiah.

In their hearts of these gentile churchmen we call the early church fathers was a surprising amount of outright hatred and vocal castigating of the Jews. Pagans had long hated the Jews before Christ came in the flesh; the scriptures in my note show that they were excessively cruel in their treatment of the Jews. CAREFULL study the scriptures I selected for Part 1. Before the Messiah they even excused their evil mistreatments on the basis of Jewish unfaithfulness to God! After Jesus ascended and Jerusalem was destroyed this was amplified by gentile christians(?) who notoriously called Jews "Christ killers!!! It would be laughable were it not so PATHETIC a misunderstanding of the purposes of God in the Messiah!

Unbelieving Jews had a passionate interest in keeping Jews out of the church too! Oddly and SADLY the MANY Jews then and now who oppose(d) the church's efforts to evangelize Jews are blindly opposing the only thing that can save and bless them into the Lambs book of life! Jews who still reject the Lord, who see the devil in every gentile believer, are anti-Jesus, anti-church and anti their only hope for life! In the few words I wrote above I wrote that anti-semitism is anti-Judaism and anti-Christian (anti-Messianic) and it is Anti-One New Man (Eph. 2:15) !!!!!  And unbelieving Jews unwittingly are also anti semites in that they are anti Jesus and anti those Jews who believe in Jesus!!!!

This is from beginning to end a spiritual problem in which unbelieving Jewish AND gentile flesh are embroiled. They cannot and will not see that until faith in the Messiah and the knowledge of the truth sets them free!

Satan hates the Jews. When I find myself thinking unkind things about Jews I chalk it up to satanic influence and correct my thoughts renouncing them. By the study of church and Jewish history, and gentile history, and BC history too, we can expose anti-semitism as the work of the devil and men who have forgotten God (Psalm 9:17).

Anti-semitism is a sin on two counts. First it is hatred, which is a sin itself. Second this hatred with its roots in Satan, hinders the knowledge of God, the unity of the One New Man and effective love motivated evangelism to both Jews and gentiles. This ENMITY which exists only in unbelief, opposes wittingly and ignorantly the faith of God and the building up of the One New Man. One New Man is a NAME of the church of Jesus Christ established and built by Him.

The  misunderstanding and ignorance hindering unity in the gentile and in the messianic church movements can be overcome. Reading Ephesians 2 we see that Jew and gentile must be One and remain together in Christ for the One New Man to have an active presence  and witness to the world today. I'm thinking John 17 and some of John 10. It is true that there is now no Jew or Greek, male or female, slave or free. Yet those identities persist in the world with enmity, and persist in the churches with enmity.  The purposes of God that we be One must and will overcome the prejudices which hinder when in AGAPE love we expose and condemn those anti-semitic prejudices.  Ephesians 5:11 "Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them."  WE ARE to deal with this because it is a hindrance to the comfort of the church and to salvation!  Salvation is offered to ALL who receive Jesus in faith. But the very issues which hinder that faith are the sins of men, in particular the sins of Jew hatred, and of Jewish unbelief !


...got there by the grace of God... did that (believed & repented)... and am going to buy the t-shirt... ! 

leaving the City of Destruction...

Do you know about the City of Destruction and what famous literary character left it, and what he left it for?

It took me a very long time to extract my emotions and intellect from the concerns of politicians, and the concerns of those who bribe them with contributions and then lobby them for special treatment.

It is a very dangerous thing to preach the gospel and run for office, or to preach and take a side with one party or another. Almost any man or woman in power would do wonders IF they obeyed God. But I have never seen a politician I believed was faithful to God in public office. Prayer for them is the answer, for if they are elected or appointed or inherit power through a Royal family, it is God who holds them in the palm of His hand. Involving the church with political wars, and politics is war, can only set the congregants and congregations at war with each other. THAT is a sin against God. IT is a tool of Satan. Satan is the chief HE "that soweth discord among brethren," a sin that God HATES.

Proverbs 6
16 There are six things which Jehovah hateth; Yea, seven which are an abomination unto him:
17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, And hands that shed innocent blood;
18 A heart that deviseth wicked purposes, Feet that are swift in running to mischief,
19 A false witness that uttereth lies, And he that soweth discord among brethren.

IMHO, Martin Luther King would have been more effective staying in the pulpit and preaching the Gospel than in the street. Af Ams are no better off today for integration. The case can be made they are worse off by seeking the government tit rather than the Lord. And many white are worse off to for being dependent on the government and those whom the government taxes.

There is only ONE race the HUMAN race. All the strife over money and power for this that or the other ethnic family is plain and simply greed, be it the insatiable lust for what others have, or the stinginess which causes the rich to hoard goods and hold power. The bloodshed over things and power to have things has been false flagged by many so called just causes, but in the end there is strife between persons, families, cultures and nations because of the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh and the pride of life. Eve was deceived right along those three lines and Adam bought the ticket by eating with her.

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/131/131-h/131-h.htm

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Who has instructed the mind... ?
September 16, 2013 at 2:58pm

I am a cautious person these days. If the churches today show anything it is that there is more agreement in heaven than on earth. But read all the way to the finish, for I am able to "end well."

If it is so: How do we know apostles and prophets have ceased? How do we know WHEN that happened? Their office provided two things which are very advantageous to those sheep inclined to receive them: the authority of the inspired word of the prophet and the authority of the apostle to command. Today we see much in the churches as in the days of the judges we all do what is right in our own eyes. For a truth so important as the end of the prophetic and apostolic gifts to the church, one would need a clear prophecy! And I note the word "GAVE" from Ephesians 4:11::

11 And he gave some to be apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Who is to say God stopped giving? 

AND THEY WERE GIVEN FOR A PURPOSE! 

Ephesians 4:11:: 
12 for the perfecting of the saints, unto the work of ministering, unto the building up of the body of Christ:
13 till we all attain unto the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a full grown man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 that we may be no longer children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, in craftiness, after the wiles of error;

Have we attained, have all attained? Are we full grown? Are we no longer children?

I fear it is that we have stopped receiving the gifts. It may well be in part because the prophet and apostle call us to surrender our pastoral authority and autonomy a bit more than we might like. 

I just do not see it. I may not be a prophet or an apostle, and all those called prophets and apostles today may be false, but where can we find FROM THE SCRIPTURES WHEN the giving of the apostles and prophets has ceased? Those who teach it must provide that answer. There is the additional problem that in 1 Corinthians 13 tongues and knowledge cease too! And there also no mention is made of apostleship ceasing.

Could it be that as a result of the dominating anti-semitism in the 4th and 5th centuries and with the church state marriage this teaching will be found to have come in? It makes sense to me that Rome's popes would find apostles and prophets truly uncomfortable fellows and very inconvenient! Perhaps the “closing of the canon of scripture” brought the idea that we have the scriptures and they are enough! Not everyone had the scriptures then, and even today not everyone has them! 

There are many peoples TODAY without Bibles in their own tongue. I sincerely believe apostles and prophets as well as tongues and knowledge to be essential for the people in those areas. The church sends out missionaries with the gospel to those never who have never heard it and are they not doing the same great commission as the 11 apostles did? 

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit:
20 teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.

It could be said He sent them out as teachers from this verse, and do we send out missionaries to teach? But the recognition of an apostle or a prophet  (OR evangelist, pastor and teacher too?) requires divine sanction, and would that not mean prophetic sanction? 

For the church’s sake it makes more sense for even all the gifts to cease after the Lord is seated on David's throne than before. The need for them to fulfill their purpose is far greater for the church today than it will be then. Yes? No?

Builders and architects say a foundation does not continue right throughout the building. THAT is a stronger point than any other I have heard. Yet it does not account for the truth that the church is a building like none other. Not only is it made of living stones, but it gets larger and larger by the day. For that reasoning the foundation must grow larger too! Yes? No? To bear the weight of the present day church with the specific ministry works apostles and prophets peculiarly perform. 

One thing I'm pretty sure of, we should not exclude apostles and prophets on the basis of that there are those who are now false apostles and prophets. I don't reject real money because there is some that is counterfeit, in fact I seek the real money all the more!
Philippians 1:14-15
American Standard Version (ASV)
15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:

16 the one do it of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel;
17 but the other proclaim Christ of faction, not sincerely, thinking to raise up affliction for me in my bonds.
18 What then? only that in every way, whether in pretence or in truth, Christ is proclaimed; and therein I rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
19 For I know that this shall turn out to my salvation, through your supplication and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,
20 according to my earnest expectation and hope, that in nothing shall I be put to shame, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether by life, or by death.
So whether there be apostles and prophets today is in the end eclipsed by the preaching of the gospel and the receiving of the gospel, if not apostles and prophets also! 

Ephesians 4 
15 but speaking truth in love, we may grow up in all things into him, who is the head, even Christ;
16 from whom all the body fitly framed and knit together through that which every joint supplieth, according to the working in due measure of each several part, maketh the increase of the body unto the building up of itself in love.

Anti-Semitism or WHAT???

Anti-Semitism or WHAT???

September 14, 2013 at 1:31am

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Anti-Semitism or WHAT???

What we call “anti-semitism” today is simply the age old hatred of Satan for every good thing God made and also redeemed! Regrettably for too many men (and women), they have been caught up in this satanic hatred which expresses itself firstly and most vehemently against the Jews!

“First the SATURDAY people then the Sunday people.” 

It is ironic because Satan just trippingly follows in his hatred in parallel to God’s word! 

Romans 1:16
American Standard Version (ASV)
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and [then] also to the Greek [gentile]. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rom%201.16&version=ASV#

It has been some time since I posted a note, but this topic has been "brewing" in my heart/mind for some good few years now. I have used some bold fonts, but IMHO the passages need to be studied, even more carefully by this man..........MOI ! : )

IMHO it is not simply anti-semitism, it is anti-Judaism and anti-Christian (anti-Messianic) and ... Anti-One New Man !!!!! 

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rom%201.16&version=ASV#

Romans 1:16
American Standard Version (ASV)
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and [then] also to the Greek [gentile].


http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Zech%201:12-21&version=ASV

Zechariah 1:15
American Standard Version (ASV)
12 Then the angel of Jehovah answered and said, O Jehovah of hosts, how long wilt thou not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah, against which thou hast had indignation these threescore and ten years?
13 And Jehovah answered the angel that talked with me with good words, even comfortable words.
14 So the angel that talked with me said unto me, Cry thou, saying, Thus saith Jehovah of hosts: I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy.
15 And I am very sore displeased with the nations that are at ease; for I was but a little displeased, and they helped forward the affliction.
16 Therefore thus saith Jehovah: I am returned to Jerusalem with mercies; my house shall be built in it, saith Jehovah of hosts, and a line shall be stretched forth over Jerusalem.
17 Cry yet again, saying, Thus saith Jehovah of hosts: My cities shall yet overflow with prosperity; and Jehovah shall yet comfort Zion, and shall yet choose Jerusalem.
18 And I lifted up mine eyes, and saw, and, behold, four horns.
19 And I said unto the angel that talked with me, What are these? And he answered me, These are the horns which have scattered Judah, Israel, and Jerusalem.
20 And Jehovah showed me four smiths.
21 Then said I, What come these to do? And he spake, saying, These are the horns which scattered Judah, so that no man did lift up his head; but these are come to terrify them, to cast down the horns of the nations, which lifted up their horn against the land of Judah to scatter it.God’s devotion to Israel is everlasting and He is COVENANTALLY FAITHFUL to her. Israel will have a complete reversal of future [soon?] even as it is: AFTER she goes through the great tribulation [also coming soon?]. We gentiles need to wake up to these facts! This is seen again clearly especially in Ezekiel 36:8-15 (below) We are grafted into Messianic Israel where ever she is today and every future day! This is why Paul wrote admonishing Rome in his letter to them Ch.’s 9-11 !!!

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezek%2035:1-5&version=ASV

Ezekiel 35:1-5
American Standard Version (ASV)
35  Moreover the word of Jehovah came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, set thy face against mount Seir, and prophesy against it,
3 and say unto it, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I am against thee, O mount Seir, and I will stretch out my hand against thee, and I will make thee a desolation and an astonishment.
4 I will lay thy cities waste, and thou shalt be desolate; and thou shalt know that I am Jehovah.
5 Because thou hast had a perpetual enmity, and hast given over the children of Israel to the power of the sword in the time of their calamity, in the time of the iniquity of the end;

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2036:1-15&version=ASV

Ezekiel 36:1-15
American Standard Version (ASV)
36  And thou, son of man, prophesy unto the mountains of Israel, and say, Ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of Jehovah.
2 Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Because the enemy hath said against you, Aha! and, The ancient high places are ours in possession;
3 therefore prophesy, and say, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Because, even because they have made you desolate, and swallowed you up on every side, that ye might be a possession unto the residue of the nations, and ye are taken up in the lips of talkers, and the evil report of the people;
4 therefore, ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord Jehovah: Thus saith the Lord Jehovah to the mountains and to the hills, to the watercourses and to the valleys, to the desolate wastes and to the cities that are forsaken, which are become a prey and derision to the residue of the nations that are round about;
5 therefore thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Surely in the fire of my jealousy have I spoken against the residue of the nations, and against all Edom, that have appointed my land unto themselves for a possession with the joy of all their heart, with despite of soul, to cast it out for a prey.
6 Therefore prophesy concerning the land of Israel, and say unto the mountains and to the hills, to the watercourses and to the valleys, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I have spoken in my jealousy and in my wrath, because ye have borne the shame of the nations:
7 therefore thus saith the Lord Jehovah: I have sworn, saying, Surely the nations that are round about you, they shall bear their shame.
8 But ye, O mountains of Israel, ye shall shoot forth your branches, and yield your fruit to my people Israel; for they are at hand to come.
9 For, behold, I am for you, and I will turn into you, and ye shall be tilled and sown;
10 and I will multiply men upon you, all the house of Israel, even all of it; and the cities shall be inhabited, and the waste places shall be builded;
11 and I will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and be fruitful; and I will cause you to be inhabited after your former estate, and will do better unto you than at your beginnings: and ye shall know that I am Jehovah.
12 Yea, I will cause men to walk upon you, even my people Israel; and they shall possess thee, and thou shalt be their inheritance, and thou shalt no more henceforth bereave them of children.
13 Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Because they say unto you, Thou land art a devourer of men, and hast been a bereaver of thy nation;
14 therefore thou shalt devour men no more, neither bereave thy nation any more, saith the Lord Jehovah;
15 neither will I let thee hear any more the shame of the nations, neither shalt thou bear the reproach of the peoples any more, neither shalt thou cause thy nation to stumble any more, saith the Lord Jehovah.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2010.5-27&version=ASV

Isaiah 10:5-27
American Standard Version (ASV)
5 Ho Assyrian, the rod of mine anger, the staff in whose hand is mine indignation!
6 I will send him against a profane nation, and against the people of my wrath will I give him a charge, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets.
7 Howbeit he meaneth not so, neither doth his heart think so; but it is in his heart to destroy, and to cut off nations not a few.
8 For he saith, Are not my princes all of them kings?
9 Is not Calno as Carchemish? is not Hamath as Arpad? is not Samaria as Damascus?
10 As my hand hath found the kingdoms of the idols, whose graven images did excelthem of Jerusalem and of Samaria;
11 shall I not, as I have done unto Samaria and her idols, so do to Jerusalem and her idols?
12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, that, when the Lord hath performed his whole work upon mount Zion and on Jerusalem, I will punish the fruit of the stout heart of the king of Assyria, and the glory of his high looks.
13 For he hath said, By the strength of my hand I have done it, and by my wisdom; for I have understanding: and I have removed the bounds of the peoples, and have robbed their treasures, and like a valiant man I have brought down them that sit on thrones:
14 and my hand hath found as a nest the riches of the peoples; and as one gathereth eggs that are forsaken, have I gathered all the earth: and there was none that moved the wing, or that opened the mouth, or chirped.
15 Shall the axe boast itself against him that heweth therewith? shall the saw magnify itself against him that wieldeth it? as if a rod should wield them that lift it up, or as if a staff should lift up him that is not wood.
16 Therefore will the Lord, Jehovah of hosts, send among his fat ones leanness; and under his glory there shall be kindled a burning like the burning of fire.
17 And the light of Israel will be for a fire, and his Holy One for a flame; and it will burn and devour his thorns and his briers in one day.
18 And he will consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body: and it shall be as when a standard-bearer fainteth.
19 And the remnant of the trees of his forest shall be few, so that a child may write them.
20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and they that are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again lean upon him that smote them, but shall lean upon Jehovah, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.
21 A remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God.
22 For though thy people, Israel, be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them shall return: a destruction is determined, overflowing with righteousness.
23 For a full end, and that determined, will the Lord, Jehovah of hosts, make in the midst of all the earth.
24 Therefore thus saith the Lord, Jehovah of hosts, O my people that dwellest in Zion, be not afraid of the Assyrian, though he smite thee with the rod, and lift up his staff against thee, after the manner of Egypt.
25 For yet a very little while, and the indignation against thee shall be accomplished, and mine anger shall be directed to his destruction.
26 And Jehovah of hosts will stir up against him a scourge, as in the slaughter of Midian at the rock of Oreb: and his rod will be over the sea, and he will lift it up after the manner of Egypt.
27 And it shall come to pass in that day, that his burden shall depart from off thy shoulder, and his yoke from off thy neck, and the yoke shall be destroyed by reason of fatness.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Lamentations%201&version=ASV

Lamentations 1 (7,21)
American Standard Version (ASV)
1  How doth the city sit solitary, that was full of people! She is become as a widow, that was great among the nations! She that was a princess among the provinces is become tributary!
2 She weepeth sore in the night, and her tears are on her cheeks; Among all her lovers she hath none to comfort her: All her friends have dealt treacherously with her; they are become her enemies.
3 Judah is gone into captivity because of affliction, and because of great servitude; She dwelleth among the nations, she findeth no rest: All her persecutors overtook her within the straits.
4 The ways of Zion do mourn, because none come to the solemn assembly; All her gates are desolate, her priests do sigh: Her virgins are afflicted, and she herself is in bitterness.
5 Her adversaries are become the head, her enemies prosper; For Jehovah hath afflicted her for the multitude of her transgressions: Her young children are gone into captivity before the adversary.
6 And from the daughter of Zion all her majesty is departed: Her princes are become like harts that find no pasture, And they are gone without strength before the pursuer.
7 Jerusalem remembereth in the days of her affliction and of her miseries all her pleasant things that were from the days of old: When her people fell into the hand of the adversary, and none did help her, The adversaries saw her, they did mock at her desolations.
8 Jerusalem hath grievously sinned; therefore she is become as an unclean thing; All that honored her despise her, because they have seen her nakedness: Yea, she sigheth, and turneth backward.
9 Her filthiness was in her skirts; she remembered not her latter end; Therefore is she come down wonderfully; she hath no comforter: Behold, O Jehovah, my affliction; for the enemy hath magnified himself.
10 The adversary hath spread out his hand upon all her pleasant things: For she hath seen that the nations are entered into her sanctuary, Concerning whom thou didst command that they should not enter into thine assembly.
11 All her people sigh, they seek bread; They have given their pleasant things for food to refresh the soul: See, O Jehovah, and behold; for I am become abject.
12 Is it nothing to you, all ye that pass by? Behold, and see if there be any sorrow like unto my sorrow, which is brought upon me, Wherewith Jehovah hath afflicted me in the day of his fierce anger.
13 From on high hath he sent fire into my bones, and it prevaileth against them; He hath spread a net for my feet, he hath turned me back: He hath made me desolate and faint all the day.
14 The yoke of my transgressions is bound by his hand; They are knit together, they are come up upon my neck; he hath made my strength to fail: The Lord hath delivered me into their hands, against whom I am not able to stand.
15 The Lord hath set at nought all my mighty men in the midst of me; He hath called a solemn assembly against me to crush my young men: The Lord hath trodden as in a winepress the virgin daughter of Judah.
16 For these things I weep; mine eye, mine eye runneth down with water; Because the comforter that should refresh my soul is far from me: My children are desolate, because the enemy hath prevailed.
17 Zion spreadeth forth her hands; there is none to comfort her; Jehovah hath commanded concerning Jacob, that they that are round about him should be his adversaries: Jerusalem is among them as an unclean thing.
18 Jehovah is righteous; for I have rebelled against his commandment: Hear, I pray you, all ye peoples, and behold my sorrow: My virgins and my young men are gone into captivity.
19 I called for my lovers, but they deceived me: My priests and mine elders gave up the ghost in the city, While they sought them food to refresh their souls.
20 Behold, O Jehovah; for I am in distress; my heart is troubled; My heart is turned within me; for I have grievously rebelled: Abroad the sword bereaveth, at home there is as death.
21 They have heard that I sigh; there is none to comfort me; All mine enemies have heard of my trouble; they are glad that thou hast done it: Thou wilt bring the day that thou hast proclaimed, and they shall be like unto me.
22 Let all their wickedness come before thee; And do unto them, as thou hast done unto me for all my transgressions: For my sighs are many, and my heart is faint.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Obadiah+1&version=ASV

Obadiah 1
American Standard Version (ASV)
1 The vision of Obadiah. Thus saith the Lord Jehovah concerning Edom: We have heard tidings from Jehovah, and an ambassador is sent among the nations, saying, Arise ye, and let us rise up against her in battle.
2 Behold, I have made thee small among the nations: thou art greatly despised.
3 The pride of thy heart hath deceived thee, O thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground?
4 Though thou mount on high as the eagle, and though thy nest be set among the stars, I will bring thee down from thence, saith Jehovah.
5 If thieves came to thee, if robbers by night (how art thou cut off!), would they not steal only till they had enough? if grape-gatherers came to thee, would they not leave some gleaning grapes?
6 How are the things of Esau searched! how are his hidden treasures sought out!
7 All the men of thy confederacy have brought thee on thy way, even to the border: the men that were at peace with thee have deceived thee, and prevailed against thee; they that eat thy bread lay a snare under thee: there is no understanding in him.
8 Shall I not in that day, saith Jehovah, destroy the wise men out of Edom, and understanding out of the mount of Esau?
9 And thy mighty men, O Teman, shall be dismayed, to the end that every one may be cut off from the mount of Esau by slaughter.
10 For the violence done to thy brother Jacob, shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off for ever.
11 In the day that thou stoodest on the other side, in the day that strangers carried away his substance, and foreigners entered into his gates, and cast lots upon Jerusalem, even thou wast as one of them.
12 But look not thou on the day of thy brother in the day of his disaster, and rejoice not over the children of Judah in the day of their destruction; neither speak proudly in the day of distress.
13 Enter not into the gate of my people in the day of their calamity; yea, look not thou on their affliction in the day of their calamity, neither lay ye hands on their substance in the day of their calamity.
14 And stand thou not in the crossway, to cut off those of his that escape; and deliver not up those of his that remain in the day of distress.
15 For the day of Jehovah is near upon all the nations: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee; thy dealing shall return upon thine own head.
16 For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the nations drink continually; yea, they shall drink, and swallow down, and shall be as though they had not been.
17 But in mount Zion there shall be those that escape, and it shall be holy; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions.
18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall burn among them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining to the house of Esau; for Jehovah hath spoken it.
19 And they of the South shall possess the mount of Esau, and they of the lowland the Philistines; and they shall possess the field of Ephraim, and the field of Samaria; and Benjamin shall possess Gilead.
20 And the captives of this host of the children of Israel, that are among the Canaanites, shall possess even unto Zarephath; and the captives of Jerusalem, that are in Sepharad, shall possess the cities of the South.
21 And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be Jehovah's.

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Jeremiah 50
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50  The word that Jehovah spake concerning Babylon, concerning the land of the Chaldeans, by Jeremiah the prophet.
2 Declare ye among the nations and publish, and set up a standard; publish, and conceal not: say, Babylon is taken, Bel is put to shame, Merodach is dismayed; her images are put to shame, her idols are dismayed.
3 For out of the north there cometh up a nation against her, which shall make her land desolate, and none shall dwell therein: they are fled, they are gone, both man and beast.
4 In those days, and in that time, saith Jehovah, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together; they shall go on their way weeping, and shall seek Jehovah their God.
5 They shall inquire concerning Zion with their faces thitherward, saying, Come ye, andjoin yourselves to Jehovah in an everlasting covenant that shall not be forgotten.
6 My people have been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray; they have turned them away on the mountains; they have gone from mountain to hill; they have forgotten their resting-place.
7 All that found them have devoured them; and their adversaries said, We are not guilty, because they have sinned against Jehovah, the habitation of righteousness, even Jehovah, the hope of their fathers.
8 Flee out of the midst of Babylon, and go forth out of the land of the Chaldeans, and be as the he-goats before the flocks.
9 For, lo, I will stir up and cause to come up against Babylon a company of great nations from the north country; and they shall set themselves in array against her; from thence she shall be taken: their arrows shall be as of an expert mighty man; none shall return in vain.
10 And Chaldea shall be a prey: all that prey upon her shall be satisfied, saith Jehovah.
11 Because ye are glad, because ye rejoice, O ye that plunder my heritage, because ye are wanton as a heifer that treadeth out the grain, and neigh as strong horses;
12 your mother shall be utterly put to shame; she that bare you shall be confounded: behold, she shall be the hindermost of the nations, a wilderness, a dry land, and a desert.
13 Because of the wrath of Jehovah she shall not be inhabited, but she shall be wholly desolate: every one that goeth by Babylon shall be astonished, and hiss at all her plagues.
14 Set yourselves in array against Babylon round about, all ye that bend the bow; shoot at her, spare no arrows: for she hath sinned against Jehovah.
15 Shout against her round about: she hath submitted herself; her bulwarks are fallen, her walls are thrown down; for it is the vengeance of Jehovah: take vengeance upon her; as she hath done, do unto her.
16 Cut off the sower from Babylon, and him that handleth the sickle in the time of harvest: for fear of the oppressing sword they shall turn every one to his people, and they shall flee every one to his own land.
17 Israel is a hunted sheep; the lions have driven him away: first, the king of Assyria devoured him; and now at last Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon hath broken his bones.
18 Therefore thus saith Jehovah of hosts, the God of Israel: Behold, I will punish the king of Babylon and his land, as I have punished the king of Assyria.
19 And I will bring Israel again to his pasture, and he shall feed on Carmel and Bashan, and his soul shall be satisfied upon the hills of Ephraim and in Gilead.
20 In those days, and in that time, saith Jehovah, the iniquity of Israel shall be sought for, and there shall be none; and the sins of Judah, and they shall not be found: for I will pardon them whom I leave as a remnant.
21 Go up against the land of Merathaim, even against it, and against the inhabitants of Pekod: slay and utterly destroy after them, saith Jehovah, and do according to all that I have commanded thee.
22 A sound of battle is in the land, and of great destruction.
23 How is the hammer of the whole earth cut asunder and broken! how is Babylon become a desolation among the nations!
24 I have laid a snare for thee, and thou art also taken, O Babylon, and thou wast not aware: thou art found, and also caught, because thou hast striven against Jehovah.
25 Jehovah hath opened his armory, and hath brought forth the weapons of his indignation; for the Lord, Jehovah of hosts, hath a work to do in the land of the Chaldeans.
26 Come against her from the utmost border; open her store-houses; cast her up as heaps, and destroy her utterly; let nothing of her be left.
27 Slay all her bullocks; let them go down to the slaughter: woe unto them! for their day is come, the time of their visitation.
28 The voice of them that flee and escape out of the land of Babylon, to declare in Zion the vengeance of Jehovah our God, the vengeance of his temple.
29 Call together the archers against Babylon, all them that bend the bow; encamp against her round about; let none thereof escape: recompense her according to her work; according to all that she hath done, do unto her; for she hath been proud against Jehovah, against the Holy One of Israel.
30 Therefore shall her young men fall in her streets, and all her men of war shall be brought to silence in that day, saith Jehovah.
31 Behold, I am against thee, O thou proud one, saith the Lord, Jehovah of hosts; for thy day is come, the time that I will visit thee.
32 And the proud one shall stumble and fall, and none shall raise him up; and I will kindle a fire in his cities, and it shall devour all that are round about him.
33 Thus saith Jehovah of hosts: The children of Israel and the children of Judah are oppressed together; and all that took them captive hold them fast; they refuse to let them go.
34 Their Redeemer is strong; Jehovah of hosts is his name: he will thoroughly plead their cause, that he may give rest to the earth, and disquiet the inhabitants of Babylon.
35 A sword is upon the Chaldeans, saith Jehovah, and upon the inhabitants of Babylon, and upon her princes, and upon her wise men.
36 A sword is upon the boasters, and they shall become fools; a sword is upon her mighty men, and they shall be dismayed.
37 A sword is upon their horses, and upon their chariots, and upon all the mingled people that are in the midst of her; and they shall become as women: a sword is upon her treasures, and they shall be robbed.
38 A drought is upon her waters, and they shall be dried up; for it is a land of graven images, and they are mad over idols.
39 Therefore the wild beasts of the desert with the wolves shall dwell there, and the ostriches shall dwell therein: and it shall be no more inhabited for ever; neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation.
40 As when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighbor cities thereof, saith Jehovah, so shall no man dwell there, neither shall any son of man sojourn therein.
41 Behold, a people cometh from the north; and a great nation and many kings shall be stirred up from the uttermost parts of the earth.
42 They lay hold on bow and spear; they are cruel, and have no mercy; their voice roareth like the sea; and they ride upon horses, every one set in array, as a man to the battle, against thee, O daughter of Babylon.
43 The king of Babylon hath heard the tidings of them, and his hands wax feeble: anguish hath taken hold of him, and pangs as of a woman in travail.
44 Behold, the enemy shall come up like a lion from the pride of the Jordan against the strong habitation: for I will suddenly make them run away from it; and whoso is chosen, him will I appoint over it: for who is like me? and who will appoint me a time? and who is the shepherd that can stand before me?
45 Therefore hear ye the counsel of Jehovah, that he hath taken against Babylon; and his purposes, that he hath purposed against the land of the Chaldeans: Surely they shall drag them away, even the little ones of the flock; surely he shall make their habitation desolate over them.
46 At the noise of the taking of Babylon the earth trembleth, and the cry is heard among the nations.

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Zephaniah 2
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2  Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation that hath no shame;
2 before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of Jehovah come upon you, before the day of Jehovah's anger come upon you.
3 Seek ye Jehovah, all ye meek of the earth, that have kept his ordinances; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye will be hid in the day of Jehovah's anger.
4 For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation; they shall drive out Ashdod at noonday, and Ekron shall be rooted up.
5 Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea-coast, the nation of the Cherethites! The word of Jehovah is against you, O Canaan, the land of the Philistines; I will destroy thee, that there shall be no inhabitant.
6 And the sea-coast shall be pastures, with cottages for shepherds and folds for flocks.
7 And the coast shall be for the remnant of the house of Judah; they shall feed their flocks thereupon; in the houses of Ashkelon shall they lie down in the evening; for Jehovah their God will visit them, and bring back their captivity.
8 I have heard the reproach of Moab, and the revilings of the children of Ammon, wherewith they have reproached my people, and magnified themselves against their border.
9 Therefore as I live, saith Jehovah of hosts, the God of Israel, Surely Moab shall be as Sodom, and the children of Ammon as Gomorrah, a possession of nettles, and saltpits, and a perpetual desolation: the residue of my people shall make a prey of them, and the remnant of my nation shall inherit them.
10 This shall they have for their pride, because they have reproached and magnified themselves against the people of Jehovah of hosts.
11 Jehovah will be terrible unto them; for he will famish all the gods of the earth; and men shall worship him, every one from his place, even all the isles of the nations.
12 Ye Ethiopians also, ye shall be slain by my sword.
13 And he will stretch out his hand against the north, and destroy Assyria, and will make Nineveh a desolation, and dry like the wilderness.
14 And herds shall lie down in the midst of her, all the beasts of the nations: both the pelican and the porcupine shall lodge in the capitals thereof; their voice shall sing in the windows; desolation shall be in the thresholds: for he hath laid bare the cedar-work.
15 This is the joyous city that dwelt carelessly, that said in her heart, I am, and there is none besides me: how is she become a desolation, a place for beasts to lie down in! every one that passeth by her shall hiss, and wag his hand.

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Zephaniah 3
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3  Woe to her that is rebellious and polluted! to the oppressing city!
2 She obeyed not the voice; she received not correction; she trusted not in Jehovah; she drew not near to her God.
3 Her princes in the midst of her are roaring lions; her judges are evening wolves; they leave nothing till the morrow.
4 Her prophets are light and treacherous persons; her priests have profaned the sanctuary, they have done violence to the law.
5 Jehovah in the midst of her is righteous; he will not do iniquity; every morning doth he bring his justice to light, he faileth not; but the unjust knoweth no shame.
6 I have cut off nations; their battlements are desolate; I have made their streets waste, so that none passeth by; their cities are destroyed, so that there is no man, so that there is no inhabitant.
7 I said, Only fear thou me; receive correction; so her dwelling shall not be cut off, according to all that I have appointed concerning her: but they rose early and corrupted all their doings.
8 Therefore wait ye for me, saith Jehovah, until the day that I rise up to the prey; for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger; for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.
9 For then will I turn to the peoples of a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of Jehovah, to serve him with one consent.
10 From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, even the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring mine offering.
11 In that day shalt thou not be put to shame for all thy doings, wherein thou hast transgressed against me; for then I will take away out of the midst of thee thy proudly exulting ones, and thou shalt no more be haughty in my holy mountain.
12 But I will leave in the midst of thee an afflicted and poor people, and they shall take refuge in the name of Jehovah.
13 The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth; for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid.
14 Sing, O daughter of Zion; shout, O Israel; be glad and rejoice with all the heart, O daughter of Jerusalem.
15 Jehovah hath taken away thy judgments, he hath cast out thine enemy: the King of Israel, even Jehovah, is in the midst of thee; thou shalt not fear evil any more.
16 In that day it shall be said to Jerusalem, Fear thou not; O Zion, let not thy hands be slack.
17 Jehovah thy God is in the midst of thee, a mighty one who will save; he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love; he will joy over thee with singing.
18 I will gather them that sorrow for the solemn assembly, who were of thee; to whom the burden upon her was a reproach.
19 Behold, at that time I will deal with all them that afflict thee; and I will save that which is lame, and gather that which was driven away; and I will make them a praise and a name, whose shame hath been in all the earth.
20 At that time will I bring you in, and at that time will I gather you; for I will make you a name and a praise among all the peoples of the earth, when I bring back your captivity before your eyes, saith Jehovah.